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		<title>By: Stan</title>
		<link>http://stancarey.wordpress.com/2012/12/03/who-be-takin-it-to-the-man/#comment-38792</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 15:34:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Will: That&#039;s a good one; I hadn&#039;t heard it. I wonder if it&#039;s based on a true story.

Alex: Pleased to hear you&#039;ll be joining the &lt;i&gt;AHD5&lt;/i&gt; club. You&#039;re in for a treat.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will: That&#8217;s a good one; I hadn&#8217;t heard it. I wonder if it&#8217;s based on a true story.</p>
<p>Alex: Pleased to hear you&#8217;ll be joining the <i>AHD5</i> club. You&#8217;re in for a treat.</p>
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		<title>By: Warsaw Will</title>
		<link>http://stancarey.wordpress.com/2012/12/03/who-be-takin-it-to-the-man/#comment-38731</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Warsaw Will]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 21:01:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This reminds me of a joke by Black stand-up comedian Reginald D Hunter, who is from the deep south but has worked in Britain for some time now. A British woman asks him if he knew about Tommy Cooper. Hunter says &quot;He dead&quot;. And the woman replies, &quot;I must be terribly British and correct your grammar. I think it&#039;s &#039;he died&#039;.&quot; - To which Hunter answers, &quot;At first he died, now he dead.&quot;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuq8ZU2Uf_0 (it&#039;s near the beginning)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This reminds me of a joke by Black stand-up comedian Reginald D Hunter, who is from the deep south but has worked in Britain for some time now. A British woman asks him if he knew about Tommy Cooper. Hunter says &#8220;He dead&#8221;. And the woman replies, &#8220;I must be terribly British and correct your grammar. I think it&#8217;s &#8216;he died&#8217;.&#8221; &#8211; To which Hunter answers, &#8220;At first he died, now he dead.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuq8ZU2Uf_0" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuq8ZU2Uf_0</a> (it&#8217;s near the beginning)</p>
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		<title>By: alexmccrae1546</title>
		<link>http://stancarey.wordpress.com/2012/12/03/who-be-takin-it-to-the-man/#comment-38725</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[alexmccrae1546]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 18:27:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Stan,

On the merits of reading (and hearing) a bevy of glowing reports re/ the current 5th edition iteration of the AHD, including your very positive assessment of this venerable reference tome on more than one occasion, over a month ago, I asked my dear mum and brother back in Canada to include it on my short list of most desired Xmas gifts. (I don&#039;t always have to be gobsmacked by a present I wasn&#039;t really expecting. HA!)

I&#039;m heading from my adopted home turf here in L.A. back to the Toronto area, my native home grounds, for a fortnight-and-a-bit holiday stay with those nearest-and-dearest, and look forward to opening a rather heavy, squarish, festively wrapped certain present; namely that most recent edition of the AHD, which will surely entertain and illuminate for years to come.

Thanks again for your AHD praises and positive critique, Stan.

I liked your &quot;sight for screensore eyes&quot; bit, by-the-by.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stan,</p>
<p>On the merits of reading (and hearing) a bevy of glowing reports re/ the current 5th edition iteration of the AHD, including your very positive assessment of this venerable reference tome on more than one occasion, over a month ago, I asked my dear mum and brother back in Canada to include it on my short list of most desired Xmas gifts. (I don&#8217;t always have to be gobsmacked by a present I wasn&#8217;t really expecting. HA!)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m heading from my adopted home turf here in L.A. back to the Toronto area, my native home grounds, for a fortnight-and-a-bit holiday stay with those nearest-and-dearest, and look forward to opening a rather heavy, squarish, festively wrapped certain present; namely that most recent edition of the AHD, which will surely entertain and illuminate for years to come.</p>
<p>Thanks again for your AHD praises and positive critique, Stan.</p>
<p>I liked your &#8220;sight for screensore eyes&#8221; bit, by-the-by.</p>
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		<title>By: Stan</title>
		<link>http://stancarey.wordpress.com/2012/12/03/who-be-takin-it-to-the-man/#comment-38720</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 17:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hat: Yes, &lt;i&gt;AHD&lt;/i&gt; is really well designed, with a clear layout and colour tastefully applied: a sight for screensore eyes.

Alex: It was a troubling chapter, very revealing of social and cultural attitudes above and beyond linguistic matters. Anyone who natively speaks a minority dialect is likely to have some experience of such prejudice.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hat: Yes, <i>AHD</i> is really well designed, with a clear layout and colour tastefully applied: a sight for screensore eyes.</p>
<p>Alex: It was a troubling chapter, very revealing of social and cultural attitudes above and beyond linguistic matters. Anyone who natively speaks a minority dialect is likely to have some experience of such prejudice.</p>
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		<title>By: alexmccrae1546</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[alexmccrae1546]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 15:37:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oops!

Technically, that should have read African-American Vernacular English in the first paragraph intro. I left out &quot;Vernacular&quot;... but hopefully the context implied AAVE, nonetheless.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops!</p>
<p>Technically, that should have read African-American Vernacular English in the first paragraph intro. I left out &#8220;Vernacular&#8221;&#8230; but hopefully the context implied AAVE, nonetheless.</p>
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		<title>By: alexmccrae1546</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2012 22:56:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I find it mildly troubling, looking back in retrospect, that in their seemingly well-meaning attempt to give African-American English a modicum of legitimacy, or academic caché, through the mid-70&#039;s coining of the term &quot;ebonics&quot;, that those committed folk who advocated, early-on, for its use (and wide acceptance) were generally soundly derided by many of the noted linguists, and academics of the day-- African-American, and non-African-American alike. 

Most of these naysaying critics viewed the legitimizing of &quot;ebonics&quot; as nothing short of giving official sanction to what boiled down to bad, or faulty English grammar; in sum, a bastardization of &#039;proper&#039; Am. English. 

I recall at the height of the &quot;ebonics&quot; debate where the likes of such heavy-weight African-Americans as comedian/ actor/ author Bill Cosby* weighed in quite vocally on the issue. He was particularly
disturbed by the proposition advocated by many in the &quot;ebonics&quot; camp that inner-city African-American public school kids should have the option to converse, discuss, or write essays, and such in class, articulating in &quot;ebonics&quot; throughout.

Seems like the heated &quot;ebonics&quot; debate has lost major traction over the years, although I sense their is a less prejudiced attitude toward its use, particularly w/ the more open, more worldly, millennial generation. Today AAVE seems to have become the official academic label for what was earlier termed &quot;ebonics&quot;. 

Stan, in reading your fine article, and some of the attached links, I tend to agree w/ the general consensus that the argument for some West African linguistic connection w/ AAVE is tenuous at best**, although I found quite fascinating the notion of the multiplicity of distinct languages spoken amongst the ranks of the thousands of West African slaves destined for America; and how this linguistic diversity played right into the malevolent, or at least avaricious schemes of the slave traders; namely, by majorly mixing up the onboard tribal composition during &#039;the great passage&#039;, the possibilities of slaves plotting, verbally at least, against their captors would be greatly minimized due to the motley mix of alien tongues. 

Of course, it&#039;s also been well documented that slave holders deliberately, and systematically separated individuals of entire slave families from one another--- yet another method of reducing the inter-slave collusion potential. But I digress.

I be movin&#039; along, &#039;bout now.

*Bill Cosby actual earned a Phd in Psychcology from Temple University in Philadelphia, his home town. 

**For me, the argument for early Creole influences is most compelling, particularly re/ the &#039;omitted copula&#039;, and the &#039;invariant habitual &quot;be&quot; &#039; phenomena.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it mildly troubling, looking back in retrospect, that in their seemingly well-meaning attempt to give African-American English a modicum of legitimacy, or academic caché, through the mid-70&#8242;s coining of the term &#8220;ebonics&#8221;, that those committed folk who advocated, early-on, for its use (and wide acceptance) were generally soundly derided by many of the noted linguists, and academics of the day&#8211; African-American, and non-African-American alike. </p>
<p>Most of these naysaying critics viewed the legitimizing of &#8220;ebonics&#8221; as nothing short of giving official sanction to what boiled down to bad, or faulty English grammar; in sum, a bastardization of &#8216;proper&#8217; Am. English. </p>
<p>I recall at the height of the &#8220;ebonics&#8221; debate where the likes of such heavy-weight African-Americans as comedian/ actor/ author Bill Cosby* weighed in quite vocally on the issue. He was particularly<br />
disturbed by the proposition advocated by many in the &#8220;ebonics&#8221; camp that inner-city African-American public school kids should have the option to converse, discuss, or write essays, and such in class, articulating in &#8220;ebonics&#8221; throughout.</p>
<p>Seems like the heated &#8220;ebonics&#8221; debate has lost major traction over the years, although I sense their is a less prejudiced attitude toward its use, particularly w/ the more open, more worldly, millennial generation. Today AAVE seems to have become the official academic label for what was earlier termed &#8220;ebonics&#8221;. </p>
<p>Stan, in reading your fine article, and some of the attached links, I tend to agree w/ the general consensus that the argument for some West African linguistic connection w/ AAVE is tenuous at best**, although I found quite fascinating the notion of the multiplicity of distinct languages spoken amongst the ranks of the thousands of West African slaves destined for America; and how this linguistic diversity played right into the malevolent, or at least avaricious schemes of the slave traders; namely, by majorly mixing up the onboard tribal composition during &#8216;the great passage&#8217;, the possibilities of slaves plotting, verbally at least, against their captors would be greatly minimized due to the motley mix of alien tongues. </p>
<p>Of course, it&#8217;s also been well documented that slave holders deliberately, and systematically separated individuals of entire slave families from one another&#8212; yet another method of reducing the inter-slave collusion potential. But I digress.</p>
<p>I be movin&#8217; along, &#8217;bout now.</p>
<p>*Bill Cosby actual earned a Phd in Psychcology from Temple University in Philadelphia, his home town. </p>
<p>**For me, the argument for early Creole influences is most compelling, particularly re/ the &#8216;omitted copula&#8217;, and the &#8216;invariant habitual &#8220;be&#8221; &#8216; phenomena.</p>
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		<title>By: languagehat</title>
		<link>http://stancarey.wordpress.com/2012/12/03/who-be-takin-it-to-the-man/#comment-38644</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[languagehat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2012 14:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Another plug for AHD here.  M-W is what I have literally by my left elbow for professional reasons (it&#039;s the standard editorial reference in these parts), but AHD is what I go to for pleasure.  The color photos, the design, and oh the lovely etymologies (and of course the appendixes of IE and Semitic roots).  Really a joy to the mind and the senses.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another plug for AHD here.  M-W is what I have literally by my left elbow for professional reasons (it&#8217;s the standard editorial reference in these parts), but AHD is what I go to for pleasure.  The color photos, the design, and oh the lovely etymologies (and of course the appendixes of IE and Semitic roots).  Really a joy to the mind and the senses.</p>
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