In Barry Blaustein’s wrestling documentary Beyond the Mat, then-WWF supremo Vince McMahon has just given Darren Drozdov his new character name, Puke, and is explaining how he’ll be introduced to the audience. You might want to skip the quotation if you’re eating:
So, after you’ve regurgitated on one of your opponents, or on the referee itself, then of course the ring announcer would, y’know, then say your name.
You can watch it here – go to 06.23:
The phrase the referee itself is grammatically interesting. Wrestling referees are adult people, and when it or itself is used to refer to a person, it’s usually a very young person or a part of a person – not an adult of unknown or unspecified gender.
But none of the alternative pronouns is perfect in that position. The referee himself is the most obvious (the job is male-dominated), but it is sexist; himself or herself (or similar) would be pedantic; themselves strikes me as awkward here, though I like singular they; and themself is rare, and does not occur to most speakers.
So the choice of itself, made on the spur of the moment, lets McMahon avoid constructions that are problematic for various reasons – but in doing so objectifies the referee in an unusual way. (Compare with the use of whom to refer to houses, which I heard in a documentary on The Truman Show.)
Omitting the intensive pronoun entirely would be the simplest solution, since it’s not essential here. But in casual speech we don’t normally get a chance to weigh up options like this. I’d be interested to hear your thoughts.
The “itself” in “the referee itself” isn’t a relative pronoun, since it’s not marking a relative clause. This is typically called an intensive pronoun.
I’m confident “themself” will win out, being the obvious extension of singular “they,” so I try to help it along by using it whenever possible. (Surely it’s obvious that it strikes people as awkward simply because it’s unfamiliar, and there’s only one cure for that!)
Thanks, Ben. I meant reflexive pronoun but that would’ve been wrong too, since they function differently from intensive pronouns. It’s fixed now. Today’s lesson: don’t put posts up in a hurry.
Hat: Hear, hear. I like themself too, and am always cheered by its appropriate appearance. [Edit:] I wish I had your confidence in its eventual success, though. Singular they is still avoided and maligned by a lot of people despite its obvious advantages and impeccable credentials; themself remains relatively obscure and, I think, is unlikely to achieve much currency until singular they wins over the masses. And even then, people will object to it as intensely as Florence did the last time this came up.
[…] A recent post by Stan Carey about the use of itself to refer to a person has made me realise that in my post of 18 July I said nothing about the form themself. […]
Could it be possible that McMahon just mixed his reflexive pronouns? It would be interesting to see if he uses ‘itself’ like the abovementioned case on a more regular basis.
My other suggestion could be a dialectical issue. That said, I’m only guessing about this.
Dulach: It’s hard to draw firm conclusions without, as you say, hearing whether the speaker uses personal itself habitually or what his preferences are in comparable contexts. I assume you mean dialectal; this is possible, but I’d say it’s more likely idiolectal or even just a once-off usage.